Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/25/2022 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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+= HB 102 STATE INSUR. CATASTROPHE RESERVE ACCT. TELECONFERENCED
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+= SB 121 PFAS USE & REMEDIATION; FIRE/WATER SAFETY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 155 COURT SYSTEM PROVIDE VISITORS & EXPERTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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HOUSE BILL NO. 155                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating   to  court-appointed  visitors  and                                                                    
     experts;  relating  to the  powers  and  duties of  the                                                                    
     office of  public advocacy; relating to  the powers and                                                                    
     duties of  the Alaska  Court System; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:46:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop relayed that it  was the first hearing of HB
155.  It  was  the  intent  of the  committee  to  hear  the                                                                    
introduction of  the bill, the  sectional analysis,  and any                                                                    
invited and public testimony.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked that  all presenters  and testifiers                                                                    
who  came before  the committee  were  attired in  adherence                                                                    
with  the  formal dress  code.  He  stated there  were  some                                                                    
exceptions, such as an individual who had a broken arm.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  noted that there were  spare ties available                                                                    
for those in need.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:48:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHRIS TUCK,  SPONSOR,  relayed  that HB  155                                                                    
attempted to  fix a  flaw in the  state that  was negatively                                                                    
impacting the  Alaska Court System's (ACS)  visitor program.                                                                    
He  explained that  the program  was  created to  act as  an                                                                    
investigative  arm  of  the   court  in  certain  protective                                                                    
probate    proceedings    such    as    guardianships    and                                                                    
conservatorships. Since 1984, the  court visitor program has                                                                    
been administered  by the Office  of Public  Advocacy (OPA).                                                                    
Unfortunately,  there   was  no  legislative   history  that                                                                    
clarified  why a  judicial branch  program was  placed under                                                                    
the direction  of an executive  branch office. The  bill was                                                                    
developed  in collaboration  with OPA  and the  court system                                                                    
and both  entities had endorsed  the bill. He  reported that                                                                    
state  law  gave OPA  the  responsibility  to provide  court                                                                    
visitors   in  guardianship   proceedings  and   involuntary                                                                    
medication proceedings.  The executive  branch paid  for the                                                                    
court visitors  because it  was the  branch under  which OPA                                                                    
fell.  The court  system independently  contracted with  and                                                                    
directly   paid  for   court  visitors   in  conservatorship                                                                    
proceedings. He explained that OPA  was only responsible for                                                                    
providing  court visitors  in guardianship  proceedings. The                                                                    
current structure  of the program  was both  inefficient and                                                                    
confusing. The  bill would solve the  inefficiency by moving                                                                    
the court visitor program from OPA to the court system.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tuck  explained  that  court  visitors  were                                                                    
neutral  parties  with  specialized training  who  conducted                                                                    
independent  investigations  into whether  guardianships  or                                                                    
conservatorships were necessary.  Guardianships were enacted                                                                    
for  individuals  who were  unable  to  care for  their  own                                                                    
wellbeing   due   to   incapacity   or   disability,   while                                                                    
conservatorships  were  used  to manage  the  financial  and                                                                    
personal affairs of  an impaired person or  minor. The court                                                                    
visitors  also participated  in investigations  to determine                                                                    
whether a  potentially impaired individual was  able to give                                                                    
their informed consent.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:51:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof asked if  the committee would consider the                                                                    
fiscal  note  [by  the  Alaska  Judiciary  System  with  OMB                                                                    
component  768 and  control code  EGgOL] during  the current                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop responded that he  intended to hear the bill                                                                    
and set it aside, but she  was welcome to address the fiscal                                                                    
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof asked why  moving the program  would cost                                                                    
$960,000 according  to the fiscal  note. She wondered  why a                                                                    
new full-time position was proposed as well.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tuck  responded   that  the   proposed  new                                                                    
employee  would   be  responsible   for  the   training  and                                                                    
oversight of court  visitors. He noted that  the program had                                                                    
been  underfunded for  a  while and  the  move presented  an                                                                    
opportunity  to  bring it  back  up  to a  more  appropriate                                                                    
funding level. He suggested that  Mr. Doug Wooliver from the                                                                    
court system address the question as well.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:53:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG WOOLIVER, DEPUTY  ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA COURT                                                                    
SYSTEM,  echoed the  sponsor's assertion  that the  bill was                                                                    
developed in collaboration with OPA.  The reason there was a                                                                    
difference  in the  fiscal note  was because  OPA had  never                                                                    
provided training  for court  visitors in  the past  and the                                                                    
courts  would  like to  improve  the  program. The  employee                                                                    
would provide  oversight, training,  and scheduling  for the                                                                    
court  visitors.  He  thought  the tasks  should  have  been                                                                    
happening already  and hoped the program  would improve when                                                                    
moved to the court system.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman noted  that around $100,000 of  the cost of                                                                    
the shift was due to the  repositioning of the duties to the                                                                    
courts. He  asked if the  courts could function  without the                                                                    
addition of the $100,000 spread.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wooliver  responded  that  the  courts  could  function                                                                    
without the funds,  but the program would retain  all of the                                                                    
deficiencies  that it  currently  had. It  was important  to                                                                    
improve  the program  if the  court system  were to  take it                                                                    
over, which would require additional funds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson shared the same  concern as Senator von Imhof.                                                                    
He asked if  the improvements to the program  would be worth                                                                    
the $960,000 in the fiscal note.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver noted that most  of the cost simply reflected a                                                                    
transfer of  funds from  OPA to the  court system.  The only                                                                    
increase was the roughly $100,000 for the new position.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  noted that  the  amount  would be  recurring                                                                    
every year.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wooliver  responded  in the  affirmative,  however  the                                                                    
funds would  originate from OPA's budget.  He explained that                                                                    
OPA's budget would  show a decrement due to  the transfer of                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:56:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  MASON, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE TUCK,  read from  the                                                                    
sectional analysis (copy on file):                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1  Repeals and reenacts AS 13.26.226 (d) to                                                                        
     read: The Alaska Court System shall provide visitors                                                                       
     and experts in guardianship proceedings under AS                                                                           
     13.26.291.  The Alaska  Court System  may contract  for                                                                    
     services of court-appointed visitors and experts.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2    Amends AS 13.26.291 (a)  to stipulate that                                                                    
     the Alaska  Court System  shall bear  the costs  of the                                                                    
     visitors and experts appointed under AS 13.26.226 (c).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3      Amends  AS  44.21.410   (a)  to  remove                                                                    
     paragraph 2 and renumber the remaining paragraph.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4    Amends AS.21.420  (c) to  remove language                                                                    
     allowing   the   Commissioner  of   Administration   to                                                                    
     contract for  services for  court visitors  and experts                                                                    
     to perform the duties set out in AS 44.21.410.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5     Amends  AS 44.21.440  (b)  to  remove  a                                                                    
     reference to  court visitors from  language prohibiting                                                                    
     the  Office  of  Public Advocacy  from  using  improper                                                                    
     pressure to  influence the  professional judgment  of a                                                                    
     person paid by the office.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section  6    Amends AS.30.839  (d) to  remove language                                                                    
     allowing  the  court to  direct  the  Office of  Public                                                                    
     Advocacy  to provide  a  court  visitor to  investigate                                                                    
     whether  a  patient  can   give  or  withhold  informed                                                                    
     consent in  psychotropic medication  proceedings during                                                                    
     involuntary commitments.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7    Amends 47.30.839  to add a  new subsection                                                                    
     to read: (j) The Alaska                                                                                                    
     Court  System  shall  provide visitors  in  proceedings                                                                    
     under  this  section.  The   Alaska  Court  System  may                                                                    
    contract for services of court-appointed visitors.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8    Amends the uncodified law of  the State of                                                                    
     Alaska to add transition  language stipulating that the                                                                    
     act  applies  to   guardianship  proceedings  under  AS                                                                    
     13.26.291 and proceedings  under AS.30.839 commenced on                                                                    
     or after  the effective  date of  the act.  The section                                                                    
     further  amends  the uncodified  law  of  the State  of                                                                    
     Alaska  to ensure  that the  Office of  Public Advocacy                                                                    
     shall  provide   for  the   services  of   visitors  in                                                                    
     proceedings  under AS  47.30.839  before the  effective                                                                    
     date of the act.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section  9    Provides  an effective  date  of July  1,                                                                    
     2022.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:59:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson  wondered if it  would be better for  the new                                                                    
employee to belong to an  entity other than the court system                                                                    
as the employee would be  asking the court to make decisions                                                                    
on an individual's wellbeing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tuck  relayed  that the  position  would  be                                                                    
contracted out and  there was already a  neutral third party                                                                    
involved in  the process.  The bill  would make  the process                                                                    
more efficient  and less confusing  by placing it  under the                                                                    
proper branch. He  relayed that the courts  were the parties                                                                    
that made the  decisions in the end. It was  unclear why the                                                                    
program  had  been  designated  to   OPA  and  it  had  been                                                                    
identified as a problem for a long time.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson was concerned that  the court would be paying                                                                    
someone to  agree or disagree  with the  court's judgements.                                                                    
He thought a separation seemed wise.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tuck  responded that  the decisions  were not                                                                    
made after  the investigation  was complete. He  invited his                                                                    
staff to comment.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mason suggested that Mr.  James Stinson from OPA comment                                                                    
on Senator Wilson's concern.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:01:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JAMES   STINSON,  DIRECTOR,   OFFICE  OF   PUBLIC  ADVOCACY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT    OF   ADMINISTRATION    (via   teleconference),                                                                    
responded   that  currently,   the  court   system  directly                                                                    
appointed  and paid  for court  visitors in  conservatorship                                                                    
cases.  He explained  that OPA  paid for  the same  services                                                                    
with the same contractors  in guardianship cases. He thought                                                                    
that the public  had the misconception that  OPA was running                                                                    
a  monopoly  on  the  proceedings and  had  undue  influence                                                                    
because OPA also  supplied the attorneys for  the cases. The                                                                    
reality  was that  all court  visitors,  regardless of  case                                                                    
type,  were under  the judicial  rules of  conduct per  case                                                                    
law.  The court  visitors reported  to the  judiciary branch                                                                    
and acted as  an investigative arm of the  court. He relayed                                                                    
that OPA's  only real responsibility was  to provide payment                                                                    
to  the   court  visitors  if   the  case  at  hand   was  a                                                                    
guardianship case.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:03:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop OPENED public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop CLOSED publics testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 155 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop discussed the agenda for the afternoon.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB102-DOA-DRM SFIN 2022 draft changes per Sen FIN 04182022.pdf SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 102
HB 155 Testimony Office of Public Advocacy 4.3.2021.pdf HFIN 5/5/2021 9:00:00 AM
SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
SFIN 5/11/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 155
HB 155 Sponsor Statement 3.30.2021.pdf HFIN 5/5/2021 9:00:00 AM
SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB 155 Explanation of Changes Version B to Version 1 02.16.2022.pdf SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB 155 Version I Sectional Analysis 02.15.2022.pdf SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 155
HB 155 Additional Document - Alaska Court System Response to HJUD Questions on April 5_2021 4.7.2021.pdf SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 155
SB 121 support Kiehl.pdf SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
SB 121
SB 121 Suppot Testimony - Jenn Currie.pdf SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
SB 121
SB 121 RCRA Response to SFIN - 04.28.22.pdf SFIN 4/25/2022 9:00:00 AM
SB 121